Opinion: On Japan, The Wii, No More Heroes & Super Smash Bros
January 26, 2008 8:00 AM | Simon Carless
[Two key Wii titles in Japan are the just-launched No More Heroes and the about-to-launch Super Smash Bros Brawl, and Japanmanship's JC Barnett kindly let us and Gamasutra edit and reprint a recent post of his that looks at the reception for the former and how it maps to the latter - is SSBM too 'hardcore' to be an all-time top seller?]
"I wasn't expecting that Wii would be a console targeted only for non-gamers", says Goichi "Suda51" Suda of Grasshopper Manufacture, the man behind Killer 7 and the recent No More Heroes in the wake of massively disappointing Japanese sales of the latter.
In a recent interview he claims, like so many others, that only Nintendo can sell games for the Wii, which may be because only Nintendo is targeting this "non-gamer" market properly.
[EDITOR'S NOTE: Suda followed up with an attempted clarification on the Grasshopper Manufacture website, but it's unclear whether his comments in defense of his statement actually contradicted it.]
The Wii's audience is vastly different from the other consoles' and previous generations, that much should be obvious by now. The undisputed major titles are Wii Sports and Wii Fit, aimed squarely at, what we mistakenly and slightly patronizingly call "non-gamers".
I guess the term should be "previously non-gamers" or “differently interested gamers” but ideally the real terminologies should be "gamers", people who enjoy games of any shape and size, and "hardcore gamers" those of us who spend too much money on games, own more than one console and have vastly inflated opinions and feelings of entitlement when it comes to our favourite titles.
Just because the new main target market is less interested in killing generic alien invaders or level grinding doesn’t mean they are “non-gamers”, if you ask me.
The reality is that the regular gamer market has outgrown the hard-core one, in terms of numbers at least, and that the hard-core is becoming increasingly niche. All this is widely known, or at least quietly realized, and has been written about before.
No More Heroes, even though it is fun and a game I'd recommend to any Killer 7 fan, is niche even for a hardcore game and sales have proven this. But the near future will see an interesting event to further explain how the Wii market is divided in Japan.
Next week sees the Japanese release of Super Smash Brothers Brawl for the Wii, or "Sumabura", as the cool kids here call it. This game is the ultimate in fan service, a fanboy's wet dream of IP crossover and a deliciously retro 2.5D beat'em up. It is hardcore, but it is popular hard-core. But is it a fit for the Wii audience? My guess is: not so much.
The media hype machine is in overdrive. Leading Japanese game magazine Famitsu gave it a perfect score and bundled last week's issue with a separate, quite thick informative booklet on the game's characters. To be played best, allegedly, you will need to purchase a classic controller or dust off your old Gamecube controllers. It possibly requires a lot of time to unlock all the events if it's anything like its Gamecube prequel.
As a spurious prediction I’d say we may see a promising start with the usual drop-off over the next few months and sales figures that would make anyone proud but that are still lower than expected, a bit like Super Mario Galaxy.
If "Sumabura" doesn’t sell that well it would be proof positive that the Wii isn't a hard-core friendly platform. I suspect already that it isn’t, but a title like this could prove it once and for all.
And that’d be a shame. With lower development budgets for Wii titles it offers a good platform for niche or truly original hard-core titles, as opposed to the mega-projects that make Xbox and PlayStation development so risky these days. But if nobody buys them, what is the point? The Wii will have painted itself into the casual corner once and for all, but seeing the sales figures that is not a bad corner to be in at all.
This also means the Wii is out of the “console war”. It has its own market distinctly different from its competitors, whom must fight amongst themselves for their own top spot. Both Microsoft and Sony are making wooing noises to the casual market but they’ll have a hard time stealing customers from the big N.
So any publisher looking to make money on the Wii must squarely look at casual and avoid hard-core at all costs. Also, they must make sure they have a title which is easily shortened for the Japanese fans, like “Kinhar” (Kingdom Hearts), “Grantsu” (Gran Turismo) or “Durakuwe” (Dragon Quest).
[JC Barnett is a pseudonym for a previous Gamasutra contributor and a Western developer working in Japan - his Japanmanship weblog regularly runs articles such as this.]
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10 Comments
You mean 'Super Smash Bros. BRAWL'? 'Melee' came out in 2001 or 2002.
troy | January 26, 2008 11:40 AM
Super Smash Bros Brawl is gonna sell like hot cakes. It is the sequel to the best selling game on the Gamecube and if you go on any forum in the 'Nintendo Section' or the 'Wii Section' you will get a very good idea of how popular this game is and how well it will sell. The only problem with No More Heroes was the lack of advertisement. I don't have a doubt in my mind that if the game was advertised more it would have sold very well. I have showed it to many of my friends and the sword fighting and quirky nature of the game seem to appeal to people. I am a hardcore gamer and own both a Wii and DS. I do buy some casual games but at the end of the day I am always going to prefer the 'hardcore games'.
Andrew | January 26, 2008 12:48 PM
Oop, Melee reference fixed.
simonc | January 26, 2008 12:51 PM
I am a HARDCORE GAMER!!!!
Red_venom | January 26, 2008 3:32 PM
You write a very good article.
It raises the question, what if Brawl sells well in Japan, better than you intimate?
What would that prove?
used cisco | January 26, 2008 9:24 PM
Hardcore gamers are interested in the Wii. (Notes: Hardcore gamers who are not complete Xbox fanboys or Sony morons.) The problem here is that most hardcore gamers have not been able to get their hands on a Wii. I know gamers who have been trying to get a Wii but just haven't been able to buy one... because they have to compete with moms, aunts and old people to buy the darn thing. So they're still shopping and waiting.
The Round Peg | January 27, 2008 2:43 AM
I think the question asked of what it would prove when the new Smash Bros sells well is a vital one.
The first Smash Bros was the only million unit seller for the GameCube in Japan. I don't think there is any chance the new one won't sell a million. Really I think it is zero, and if it happened it would certainly be worthy of discussion, but ahead of that it seems a bit too early.
The bigger question of hardcore games selling on the Wii I still believe goes back to the developers. How many supposedly 'hardcore' games have been made for the Wii? After you subtract out the ones made by Nintendo themselves (Metroid, Mario, Zelda, Fire Emblem, Battalion Wars, Paper Mario) are there any good ones?
Honestly I can only think of one: RE4. Capcom said it sold 2x what they expected in the first 30 days. Are there any other hard core games by 3rd parties that are ANY good?
No More Heroes sales numbers will be an interesting thing to look at come next month, but even then, I think we'd need to see several hardcore games on the Wii before much of an argument can be made. If the Wii isn't a hard-core friendly console I would suggest it is b/c no 3rd party developer has attempted at making hard-core games for the console. At least not seriously. All the 'A' teams had been assigned elsewhere at the launch of the Wii and I haven't yet seen any effort that suggests any major publisher's 'A' team is working on the Wii. Unless that changes I expect your overall statement may turn true. The Wii will be good, but not great for the hardcore gamer...simply b/c no 3rd party made any great effort to make top of the line hardcore games for the system.
Russell Carroll | January 28, 2008 1:48 PM
This is a silly argument.
What makes a "hardcore" gamer anyways? It's someone who's interested in games. Just cause non-hardcore gamers like Wii Sports dosn't mean that a "hardcore" can't.
And are you seriously suggesting that Smash Bros will sell badly?
Russell F. | January 28, 2008 9:54 PM
I agree with Russel F.
I would call myself a hardcore gamer, even though I only have a wii and havent been able to buy anything for it yet (due to being a skint student).
Through borrowing mates games I found all the games on wii exciting at first because they were new, but it won't survive on the "non-serious" games gimmicks, they will have to include more serious titles and they will need to put more into the production of the hardcore games, as long as they are engaging and creative, they will work.
And about everyone referring to the Gamecube's Super Smash Bros. Melee as the first. I never managed to get that game despite owning a GC, I did however own the "actual" first one on the N64, why is everyone forgetting this? It was the one that started it off, and it was legend!
With developers like SquareEnix, Konami and Capcom among many others still backing Nintendo, we can expect that, those that most call "hardcore games" will keep coming, at least for another year or so.
I'll be personally awaiting something from Kojima Productions and SquareEnix (along the final fantasy lines) and utilizing the Wii's "actual" potential in graphics would be nice, The remake of Resident Evil on GC proved it could render in real time, some pretty smooth and crisp visuals, let's see what the Wii can offer.
Alex S | January 29, 2008 9:34 AM
I am 34, I am a gamer for more than 20 years now...
Am I hardcore ?
I like games with a story to tell, with good gameplay, etc. The Wii indeed is hungry for games outside of the kiddy image, but this is just starting, right now we have RE4, No More Heroes, Bully, and any other I may forget, but the Wii has a fan base to BIG for the publishers to ignore. I mean more than 15 million users and growing is interesting enough for Capcom to produce if not RE5, I bet something else will, and you have umbrella chronicles, as a try and test experiment to prove it.
same goes for other publishers, even kojima once mentioned that the wii is interesting enough to try some ideas on it.
But there is a catch, if we do not support this efforts, they may flush away. and they may never come back.
Zack and Wicky is a good example, it was a good game NO ONE bought, will there be another ??? dont think so.
No more heroes is a good game too. I will buy it, altough it is too bloody for me, but I am backing up Sudas effort, because I want to see what else is under his sleeve.
and my last two comments are...
to say that Super smash Bros Brawl, might sell poorly is just plain ridiculous. I can predict that in the worst scenario, at least 10 to 20% of that fan base will buy it, (remember 15 mill fan base? ).
Another effort I will backup is Seabass at Konami with Pro Evo 2008 on the Wii. It is a very interesting idea the new controls. And I will be there to get my copy of that game as well.
Rick Lopez | March 3, 2008 9:25 AM