On The Wisdom Of (Some) EB Employees
[Tom Kim heads up the Gamasutra podcast for our sister site, and every now and again sends out group emails such as this one, which we thought was worth reprinting here. Again, Tom and GSW aren't saying that all U.S. game retail employees suck. But it looks like these guys kinda, uh, did.]
This ever happen to you?
I mean, We've all seen gaming retail employees lampooned in Penny-Arcade. And every gamer seems to have heard a story about know-nothing store managers. But to date, my experience with most of them have been pretty good. Many of them seemed to know their product, and most have treated me with politeness and decency. In fact, the two store managers at this location, Mark and Monica treated me very well. Alas, they have since left for better paying jobs and have been replaced by these chuckleheads. I don't know... It's enough to make all of the apocryphal stories seem true.
-Tom
P.S. Some background: The following is very close to how things really went down. I haven't substantially changed anything. In hindsight, it is pretty funny. But when I walked out of the store, I was pretty upset. Enough to vent to my wife about it for 10 minutes. Gah! The only reason I was hanging around for that long was because my wife and I were going out to dinner, and she agreed to meet me at the EB beforehand. Otherwise, I would've been out of there pretty quickly... As you'll see, things were pretty uncomfortable.
---------- The Wisdom of EB Employees: A Play in One Act ----------
Players: Me, EB Manager, EB Lackey
Time: Around 6:30pm on a Tuesday evening
Place: A strip-mall Electronics Boutique somewhere north of Chicago
(SFX: Electronic *ding* as door opens)
EB Manager: Welcome to EB. I can help you with anything you want, except getting a Wii. We don't have any so don't even bother asking. (Note: I kid you not -- this was the greeting I got when walking in the door.)
Me: I'm good. I already got one.
EB Manager: You did? Where'd you get it?
Me: Here. I pre-ordered for launch. Actually, I was able to get four of them.
EB Manager: (Conspiratorially) eBay?
Me: No. I had my wife pre-order one at another store. And I got another couple from a friend.
EB Manager: Did you eBay those?
Me: No. I kept one for myself and a friend of mine got the other one. And I sold one at cost to the 1UP network for their holiday giveaway, and the other to the Evil Avatar online community for their holiday giveaway.
EB Manager: Where?
Me: Have you heard of 1UP.com? It's a big gaming news website... And Evil Avatar is a pretty established gaming community site.
EB Manger: Nope.
Me: (Walking up to the counter to look at their new inventory.) That's cool.
EB Lackey: Can I help you find anything?
Me: Yeah. I'm looking for Hotel Dusk. It's a DS title.
EB Lackey: (Blank stare -- doesn't even check the shelf.) What?
EB Manager: Never heard of it. What was it called, again?
Me: Hotel Dusk. It's a point-and-click adventure for the DS. It should have come out yesterday. But I wouldn't be surprised if you're sold out.
EB Manager: (Gives me a funny look.) Are you sure that's what it's called?
(I spot some empty display packages of Hotel Dusk sitting on a shelf right below the front counter)
Me: (Picking up a preview package and holding it up to the manager) Pretty sure.
EB Manager: (Now displeased with me -- doesn't even bother to turn around and check the shelves) No. We don't.
Me: Can you check your inventory?
EB Manager: (turns head to monitor without typing anything on the keyboard) No. We don't.
Me: Okayyy... Thanks. I'm gonna look around a little bit.
(EB employees ignore me. I wander over to the used games section. Meanwhile, another customer walks in.)
EB Manager: Welcome to EB. I can help you with anything you want, except getting a Wii. We don't have any so don't even bother asking.
Customer: Can you tell me when you're getting more?
EB Manager: I don't know. Can I help you find anything else?
Customer: When does Halo 3 come out?
EB Manager: This summer, I think. But if you pre-order Crackdown, you get a Halo 3 demo with it.
Me: (Turning to customer.) You don't actually get a demo. You can get a chance to enter the Halo 3 multi-player beta test. Still, there's no guarantee you'll get on the beta list. You just get an invitation to register.
EB Manager: You sure? The box says that it comes with a Halo 3 demo.
Me: I'm pretty sure.
EB Manager: (Checks the display box.) Yeah, you're right.
Customer: (Addressing the question to me.) Can you play that on Xbox?
Me: Halo 3 is only for the 360. Do you own a 360?
Customer: No. I got Xbox 1.
EB Manager: You should pick up a 360. Especially if you like Halo. It's backwards compatible, so you can play all of your Xbox games on it.
Me: Uh, not all of them. But it'll definitely play Halo and Halo 2.
Customer: You got any 360s?
EB Manager: Yes. We have the Core Version, which doesn't come with a hard drive and the deluxe version. I'd recommend you go with the deluxe one. You can download hi-def TV shows and movies on it.
Customer: Does it come with BluRay?
EB Manager: You can play HD-DVD on it.
Me: Um, to do that, you have to buy a separate player that plugs into the 360. The stock console will play standard def DVDs, but not HD. Though, like he said, you can download HD programming.
Customer: (Addressing me again.) How much is that?
Me: I think the HD-DVD add-on runs a couple hundred bucks.
Customer: What's the difference between the Core and the deluxe?
Me: Well, essentially he's right. The Core Version costs $299. It doesn't come with a hard drive. For another hundred bucks, you can get the Standard Edition which includes a wireless controller, an Xbox Live headset, an ethernet cable, and a component video cable. Along with the 20GB hard drive. You can buy all of the same stuff separately, but if you plan on eventually buying all of that anyway, you'll save some if you get the Standard Edition. If you're gonna buy a 360, I'd get the Standard Edition. The hard drive is important if you want to download content and some Xbox Live Arcade games. Do you have an HDTV?
Customer: No, but I'm gonna get one soon. You seem to know a lot about this stuff.
Me: I used to make games. I also do some work for a gaming news website. You ever heard of Gamasutra?
Customer: No.
Me: Gamasutra is more about the business of making games. If you're interested in the game industry, you should check it out.
Customer: Thanks, man. I'll check it out. (Leaves the store -- without a 360.)
EB Manager: What's that website again?
Me: Gamasutra.com. I also produce their podcast.
EB Manager: Never heard of it. No sir.
(Phone rings.)
EB Lackey: Thank you for calling EB Games where you can buy, sell and trade used games. This is Jeff. Can I help you?
(Listens for a while.)
EB Employee #2: (Looks puzzled.) What do you mean? (Listens some more. Covers phone receiver and turns to Manager.) This guy wants to know if there are any Wii games that don't require "line-of-sight."
EB Manager: (Gestures for employee to hand over the phone.) Hi. This is Mike. Can I help you?
(Listens for a while.) Well, there are some Wii games that don't require that you point at the screen. Some of the games just work by sensing the movement of the controller.
(Listens.) Uh, like some of the driving games, like Excite Truck. And some mini games on Super Monkey Ball and Rayman.
(Listens.) You want to have four Wiis in the same room?
EB Lackey: Why the heck would he need four Wiis? (Manager ignores him.)
EB Manager: I think you can do that. But you might want to pick up a PS3 instead. You can have up to seven wireless controllers all on the same console.
(Listens.) Yes, the PS3 has wireless controllers. And they're motion-sensitive, exactly like the Wii.
(Listens.) Yes sir. They work just like the Wii. And, you can download full games on the PS3 if you have Internet. They have, like 10 on there already. Plus old classic games like Crash Bandicoot. The PS3'll also play all of the Sony games going all the way back to original PlayStation one.
(Listens.) Yes. You can download them right now. You just need Internet.
(Listens.) Okay. Thanks. And I'll definitely be switching my dentist to you.
(Listens.) Yeah, I got a dentist, but I'm gonna be switching to sign up with you, man! (Gives "thumbs up" sign to me and Lackey.) Okay. Bye.
Me: A dentist's office? That's a cool idea.
EB Manager: Yeah. He wants to let his patients play Wii or PS3 in his waiting room or even during procedures.
Me: That's cool. But it probably wouldn't be possible for them to play the Wii while undergoing a procedure. Plus, you might want to tell him if he comes in that you'll still need line-of-site to operate the console's interface. Not to mention in-game menus. Also, for the cost of one PS3 and one game, he can pick up close to three Wiis, each with Wii Sports included. And the Wii games would probably suit a family-based practice better.
EB Manager: Uh, yeah.
EB Lackey: You used to program games?
Me: A little bit. But I worked as a producer and designer, so I didn't do a ton of programming. Mostly, I managed the artists and programmers making the game.
EB Manager: What games did you work on?
Me: Uh, some licensed-property tie-ins to some Disney movies, and a few other titles you probably haven't heard of...
EB Manager: (Chuckles and crosses arms.) Disney games? So you didn't work on PlayStation?
Me: Uh, no. But I used to help Bungie out with their marketing and advertising before they moved to Seattle.
EB Manager: Who?
Me: Bungie Software. They make Halo.
EB Manager: I thought Microsoft made Halo.
Me: Bungie's the developer. They're a first-party dev for Microsoft.
EB Manager: What?
Me: Never mind. You're right. Microsoft made Halo.
(EB Manager gives me the "stink eye." By now, I'm thinking, plans be damned. I don't want to wait in the store any longer.)
Me: (Dial my wife on my mobile phone.) Hey there. They don't have the game I'm looking for. Can you meet me at BestBuy? Yes? Great! See you there. Love you, too.
(As I'm leaving the store.) Okay. Thanks guys.
(The two employees completely ignore me.)









Comments
Classic! It's funny how the staff varies from location to location. My old EB, on Broadway and 5th St. (I think) in NYC, was one of the best I've ever been to. All the guys there knew their stuff, and the store had a real "hangout" vibe - people would come in and shoot the shit all day, and I could always get great recommendations. (The Gamestop a few blocks up Broadway had good staffers as well, but I just don't like the store.) My current EB, on Court St. in Brooklyn, has a few staffers you would swear have never played a video game in their lives. I preordered the new Winning Eleven there a couple weeks ago and it was like I was speaking another language altogether.
Posted by: jeffk | January 28, 2007 7:48 PM
Christ almighty that was a frustrating read. I'm so glad Taiwanese game shops are almost universally better than that - the only place I've been where they're utterly clueless is, ironically, Nintendo's Taiwan representatives. To the point that I went in just after the NSMB release date announcement to ask them when it was coming out, and they didn't even realize it was.
Posted by: Tetsuo | January 28, 2007 8:49 PM
My favorite Gamestop memory revolves around the time that they wouldn't let me preorder a game that wasn't an "A List" or "B List" title. Seriously, they wouldn't let me _preorder_ Katamari Damacy and then they tried to explain to me about how it was a "C List" title. After a frustrating time of me trying to get them to let me preorder it, I wound up going home, preordering a few copies on ebgames.com (since they were a separate entity at the time), and calling in a complaint with gamestop's 800 number.
It'll forever blow my mind that Gamestop wouldn't let me preorder a game.
Another bit of fun: I wandered through a different local Gamestop the other day and saw some generic cases on the new shelf with the name of the game written on it, a new sticker, and a little "Missing Case + Manual / 10% off" sticker on it. How they can sell a disc only as new boggles my mind. There were a few other similar cases around the store (missing manual, missing case or both) still marked as new. God, I hope no one actually buys them.
Posted by: RoushiMSX | January 28, 2007 9:49 PM
I find most game store employees are pretty universally guys who have a casual desire to have a more serious job in the game industry but all their information and data is just passed along by word of mouth. So its like the telephone game where by the end of the chain something one dude read on Gamespot is completely different. Also the employees are definitely terrible(In so many ways) most of the time.
But as a previous game store employee I have to say that its so amazingly annoying getting some hot shot know it all customer who likes to interject in conversations(I mean in your case you actually ARE a game industry professional, but there are lots of Dave Halverson media fans who are just a fount of nerdy technical information and ready to spread it around).
Nowadays I just semi-boycott all game only stores(Game Stop, Game Crazy, etc). They always are more expensive, preorders are handled terribly and really the atmosphere just feels pretty depressing. I dont know the last time I went in one and made a spur of the moment purchase and ive never preordered anything in my life, and still dont think there is a need to with the exception of contemporary console launches.
Posted by: Red_venom | January 28, 2007 9:50 PM
I go to the gamestop on court street and i can truly say that they don't know anything at that store...but i did get my wii at launch there....
Posted by: JNYCE | January 29, 2007 7:43 AM
Broadway and 3rd, Jeff. Only been there once to trade in a game I reviewed, since the GameStop down the road wouldn't let me. (it had a hole punch in the bar code, EB guys didn't seem to mind)
Uptown (101 and Bway), there's a cool non-chain place called Cybergames -- local kids always hang out there to play new games and Wii. They sold me a Wiimote with the old wrist strap, but I'll forgive them because their storefront still advertises Sega Saturn and Nintendo 64.
Posted by: Jared | January 29, 2007 7:53 AM
You know, if that's the worst you've had it at an EB/GS then you're doing pretty good. That's only slightly worse than my average experience.
Posted by: Shapermc | January 29, 2007 10:28 AM
This is very funny. I would just like to say that the EBgames store closest to me has very competent employees and they are usually very happy to help anyone if they need anything. Apart from the 5$ price hikes on most games, the open box policy, and badgering you about purchasing warranties and discount cards, this ebgames store is the best you will get. Its located in Niagara Falls, NY on Niagara falls Blvd.
Note: If you are in my area avoid the gamestop in the wegmans plaza, they are hopeless and have horrible service, oh yeah and they knowingly sell counterfiet GBA games to unsuspecting customers.
Posted by: SaraAB87 | January 29, 2007 12:58 PM
I wonder if lying to the customer is some kind of new store policy? I had two employees give me the same kind of BS response when I walked into an EB in Western Canada a week ago asking for Cooking Mama.
"I'm looking for the DS game Cooking Mama. Do you have it in?"
EB Lackey #1 stares dumbly, like I had just asked him to recite pi to twenty places.
Lackey #2 looks over, hesitates a moment, then says, "Sorry, we just sold the last one less than an hour ago." (By the end of the experience I was pretty sure he just made this up to get rid of me.)
Me: "Do you know when you'd be getting more in?"
Lackey #1: "Maybe a month from now."
Me: "How much would it cost here, anyway?"
Lackey #1: "No idea." (He hasn't so much as glanced at the inventory database on the screen in front of him.)
At that point I just gave up and walked out. The other EB in town had much more useful and knowledgeable staff, but they *couldn't find the game* which their computer said they had in stock. I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and say maybe they'd been shoplifted, but the store was so disorganized to begin with I'm not really so sure.
Posted by: josh g. | January 29, 2007 1:23 PM
During the week leading up to Christmas, I wandered into EB looking for Elite Beat Agents and the manager looked at me like I had three heads until he realized what I was talking about. While he went back to check, the cashier was getting bombarded with people buying stuff and asking questions, so I fielded questions regarding the PSP and DS, a few games (what was and wasn't released) and explained to a mom the differences between a dslite and a ds for her kid while I waited. The manager gave me the weirdest look when he got back.. Seriously, who the hell works at these stores?
Posted by: Danielle | January 29, 2007 9:29 PM
the guys at my local EB are ok. They're not the cream of the crop, but they're not idiots, and they know (generally) who I am, so don't fuck around if I ask for/about a game. Sometimes if I'm in the store they'll even ask me questions if they don't know! So clearly they're not bricks. I've found that the customers are dumber than the employees though - in the situation above, that almost seemed like the case as well. I doubt that customer retained any of that information for longer than a minute.
Posted by: Brandon Sheffield | January 30, 2007 3:02 PM
You mean "know-nothing." Eesh, if I had my own comic, I'd lampoon game bloggers who can't spell.
Posted by: Kat | January 30, 2007 5:20 PM
Good catch, Kat. GSW = spare time project = slightly terrible proofreading, I'm afraid.
Posted by: simonc | January 30, 2007 5:33 PM
As for the guy looking over without typing anything into the computer:
Unless we're management, the system does not tell us stock.
However, we keep every game we have on shelves behind the counter, so he could have just glanced and saw that there were none there.
Just a slight possibility.
Also, we got an e-mail to all stores on Tues. SPECIFICALLY about Hotel Dusk, basically informing that most stores in the company have sold out, and to redirect folks over to gamestop.com or ebgames.com. Said clerks could have recalled the e-mail, perhaps.
It does suck that a lot of employees don't know more about their product (I'm correcting my coworkers constantly), but they aren't often hired upon their gaming knowledge. Shocking, I know, but most people aren't lining up for a retail job at a game store, they take what they can get. As long as you can organize things and have some basic sales skills, you're good to go, product knowledge be damned.
In the end though, it'll all vary by store.
Posted by: Hot Pink Justice | January 31, 2007 5:20 AM
Um, you're wrong about the Halo 3 Beta.
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/758/758236p1.html
Then again, you could just stop being an elitist asshole. Who cares if you worked on video games. These people get paid $8 bucks an hour, with no commission.
I know more about computers than most Best Buy employees, but I work for GE getting paid 3 times what they do. I dont walk in there and act like I'm their God.
Posted by: Wesley Gallagher | January 31, 2007 8:32 AM
I agree with Wesley Gallagher, you really seem like an elitist asshole as well as a Sony hater. I work in the "industry" as well and I would never go into a EB store and start acting like I know everything. The whole story seems a little fabricated in certain parts.
Posted by: Nizzle | January 31, 2007 10:10 AM
Oh, so if I go to a store where the staff gets paid minimum wage I should expect less service than someplace else?
And who brags about getting paid $24 an hour, seriously? You're probably just the janitor.
Posted by: Big Bad Bob | January 31, 2007 10:20 AM
Barring the fact that this story sounds fake, you sound like a complete jerk.
"Gamasutra, ever heard of it?"
I mean, who the hell says that about where they work, especially when it's just some niche video game site on the internet? Douchebags, that's who.
And if your story is real, that's even worse-- you interrupted the guy way too many times and it sounded like you jumped the gun and assumed the employee wasn't going to fill him in--namely on the HD-DVD thing.
You were also completely wrong about the Halo 3 Beta and Crackdown. Very smooth, guy who works at gamasutra.
Posted by: Mames | January 31, 2007 10:29 AM
Clearly Mames was the EB Manager who was the star of this story.
Posted by: Bakes | January 31, 2007 10:37 AM
Chain stores are always going to be hit and miss. I have had quality experiences in EB Games (the one here in town is great) and terrible experiences. Hell, I have had good experiences in some McDonalds and crappy experiences in others.
I do think there is a disconnect when it comes to large corporations, their local stores and their customer service training. I can forgive a employee their lack of knowledge if they are willing to find the answer for me. Games are my hobby and for some of those employees games are just a job. That's cool, as long as they do their best to help me find information about a particular product.
Posted by: Todd | January 31, 2007 11:26 AM
http://cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126380
LOL! I agree 100% with these guys in the above thread.
Posted by: speedy | January 31, 2007 12:38 PM
I agree with Wesley and Nizzle...seems like you were acting the uber-dork in this situation. Give those poor souls wasting away in retail a break.
Posted by: PDZ Nut | January 31, 2007 2:04 PM
"Clearly Mames was the EB Manager who was the star of this story."
damn straight! I was just playing dumb to expose the pompousness of this ass.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go play some Mario Kart on my Xbox 3.
Posted by: Mames | January 31, 2007 4:35 PM
ACTUALLY Mario kart is a Nintendo game. And there is no such thing as the Xbox 3, it's called the Xbox 360.
Posted by: Tom Kim | January 31, 2007 4:39 PM
I work at a canadian EB games and we're not all that bad. although my store has a 5 girl (inc. me) to 2 guy ratio so we're not the average store. Although as mentioned in the article that's probably the caliber of our manager at one point there was a "don't hire hardcore gamers policy". As for the harassing people about edge cards and game warranties thats the only way we can make money cause they pay so badly.
Posted by: Lackey | January 31, 2007 9:00 PM
Wesley, Nizzle and Mames-
You raise some valid criticisms. I was incorrect about the terms of the Halo 3 beta included in Crackdown. But I didn't interrupt the employee while he was speaking. Nor did I go out of my way to "correct" him. In fact, I acknowledged when he was conveying accurate information. Additionally, I did not fabricate the experience. Nor am I a Sony hater.
I don't hold the actions of this particular store manager up as an indictment of the entire specialist game retail channel. But the behavior of this individual just rubbed me the wrong way, and his subsequent rudeness did little to help my mood.
As I stated in the intro, this is atypical. To reiterate, most of my experiences with game store employees have been quite good. It stands to reason that the people who work in games retail must enjoy playing games. And most of them treat their customers well and are informed about the products they sell.
In context, I originally sent this email to a small circle of friends and acquaintances. It wasn't intended as some misguided attempt to publicly malign game store employees. I was just ranting to some friends. I know that most game store employees have a difficult job for thanklessly low pay. I am also aware that often, employees don't have control over store policies that might be alienating to customers.
In this case, I went to this particular location because I had good experiences with the previous round of employees there, and because I had a little time to kill. I didn't go in to pick a fight, or to show anyone up. Specifically, I simply went in to pick up a copy of Hotel Dusk.
And the solution to all of this is simple: I just won't shop at this particular store anymore.
Posted by: The real Tom Kim | February 1, 2007 12:13 PM
Lackey-
The most attentive and knowledgeable game store managers and employees that I have met were women. All the more ironic when many self-professed hardcore gamers seem so willing to dismiss them simply because of their gender.
I wish your store was in my area.
Posted by: The real Tom Kim | February 1, 2007 12:20 PM
i hate shopping at EB. i don't usually say a damn thing to the people who work there, and plenty of them are friendly, but plenty of them aren't.
mostly i don't like to be strongarmed into preordering games and scolded for not doing so.
Posted by: ferricide | February 1, 2007 2:39 PM
Big Bad Bob,
Yes, you should expect less service from a minimum-wage worker. It might surprise you to know this, but happier employees tend to do a better job. And, in another startling turn of events, minimum-wage workers tend to be less happy than others.
Shocking, I know.
I'm sure there's an idealistic argument to be made. But it's sort of worthless. And there are exceptions that run both ways. But, surprise surprise, you were talking about expectations, and you really shouldn't expect the anomalous.
Posted by: Chris | February 1, 2007 6:05 PM
i run a gamestop. its hard work and not much pay. but i make it my buisness to at least pay attention to my inventory. And if i don't know something the customer knows, i'll ask him, im not too proud. im sorry to those who have had bad experiences at EB/Gamestop, but we're not all bad.
ps- i literally got asked for a "Nintendo box" today, cut me some slack
Posted by: kt | February 2, 2007 9:09 PM
The thing of it all is -- who gives a shit. So what if the manager and "store lackey" don't know every bit of trivial piece of info about things as trivial as video games. Some people have a life and I think you should get one too, instead of making a big issue over video game knowlege like some ten year old. Things this trivial in life only matter to someone of that age.
Posted by: Nunnya | February 3, 2007 5:30 AM
I don't think I have ever met an EB employee that has been ALL of the following:
Professional
Friendly
knowledgeable
I live in Canada in the Toronto area, and I don't know if all EB stores are like they are around here.
"Do you have Guitar He..."
"No"
The only friendly employee I came across really did not know games. She didn't even know what the difference between a DS, DS Lite, and Gameboy Advance was.
I guess when you have a monopoly on the market you don't really need to impress anyone.
Posted by: degenerate | May 2, 2007 10:50 AM
lol lovely read and some off the wall remarks..
ebgames, babbages, gamestop, etc are all stores, as is walmart kmart, target etc.
they are only as GOOD as the pple running them. ive been in targets electronics, had a kid salesman there that knew his electronics , go to walmart, they dont know jack. our ebgames and gamestop are great, if you can catch the right people behind the counter. 3 out of the 10 that ive seen know hard core gaming and are actual gamers and are very helpful. buying anything these days is about what you want and what they can sell. i recently purchased a ds from my gamestop and had been questioning various employees about its capabilities etc. the first 3 i talked to did not help me buy, they advised i get a psp. i asked if psp had touch screen. all three said yes.(psp as far i as i know does not have a touch screen) i asked if i could try one.
they said they didnt have any but if i bought one . ( yeah right) i stuck to my guns. the last time i went in i asked for my guy i go to for my games. he came out asked what i needed, etc. i asked him if i could try a ds. he pulled a used one out and then pulled a used ds lite out and let my try mario kart and some touch game. i was hooked. he then told me the general game time specs,etc. those other 3 sales pple didnt sell me a thing, my guy sold me a new ds and 6 new games, accessories etc. i had planned on buying all of it anyhow but he made me feel comfortable in my purchase. and i love my ds lite every since. i have gone to him for all my gaming needs. if hes not around i dont buy. so again good read.. but be knowledgeable b4 you buy anything. if your buying a car. would you just go and get one? no matter what the salesman says?? 'yes that neon can fly yes sir-ree' lol.. i bet there is some guy out there trying to get his car into hover mode.
Posted by: Plasma | June 17, 2007 2:23 PM
this is exactly the type of treatment you would get in any EB or Game Stop. I shit you not, I worked at a Game Stop, and I was the guy that didn't know crap. To stick up for EB & Game Stop though, they don't train people, they don't pay enough for someone to care, they don't give enough IE (100 hours to split on a 7 man crew that has 2 managers) with that thought in mind let us do the math 2 managers during a week take 80 hours, so 100-80=20 so for the remaining crew of 5 they can each get 4 hours for that week.
During my time at Game Stop I have found that most of the workers are incompetent and couldn't even function at even the lowest jobs in society. Can not follow directives, can not be polite, can not handle rough customers, can not speak in a normal tone without sounding condescending.
I must also say that even the higher ups also suck ass. The regional manager really was a dick faced killer, lets call him Peter Parker. I must say that this man would send us after a catastrophic computer failure a used almost junked DELL to replace our register. Now after disassembling said original cash register and finding that the heat inside the box had toasted the south bridge I was fairly certain that the replacement machine was short lived.
I was right by the way, during the X-Mas rush the computer died again and we needed another replacement.
I should probably stop now as I could go on forever.
Posted by: Travo.Cadavo | June 17, 2007 7:10 PM
Wow that was really obnoxious. Sure those guys were clueless but did you really have to act like a know-it-all? If you started spouting off that crap to me I'd ignore you too.
Posted by: Me | June 20, 2007 9:04 PM
If you are having problems with a manager, call their corporate office and lodge a complaint.
My fiance and myself had a problem with a manager and he got fired really really quick and then replaced with a very nice person :)
Posted by: Jonathan | June 21, 2007 12:46 AM
I worked at a Gamestop in southern California for 7 months.....that was about the most I would imagine most sane people could do before total head explosion.
I started out at 7.50 and got promoted a month later. Guess how much of a raise I got? 25 cents. I think the kicker was when my manager looked like that was the bloody holy grail or something; "That's a really great increase!" Perhaps if I were in a third world country. I was never at a loss for hours, but we were woefully understaffed; everyday I went home feeling more and more like pulling my hair out. There were some great customers, but the majority behaved as though they'd recently spent time at Bellvue. Very, Very glad to have washed my hands of that place. The stories you hear about people being strongarmed to reserve and made to feel like crap if they don't? All true.
Posted by: Retail Escapee | December 19, 2007 8:22 PM
Sorry to dig up an old thread, but that's a wierd post by Nunnya up there...
"So what if the manager and store lackey don't know every bit of trivial piece of info about things as trivial as video games."
If your sole business is the business of selling games and games consoles, you ought to be damn sure you know at least a thing or two about most of them. The store's called EB GAMES, after all. If you walk into a car dealership you expect the mechanics to know summat about cars!
I have worked at an EB, and we were the finest damn EB store in the land and we made sure of it. Product knowledge was a point of pride, but sadly this seems to have faded away as retail has become a more hostile environment these last few years; 10 day no-fuss returns were the Best Thing Ever™ and now they're gone. Online shopping has rung the retail death toll for some time now, I'm afraid.
And to throw my hat into the ring, I'd like to quote my local EB (now GAME Stores) manager, who on requiring passage along a store aisle used the universally-recognised and exceptionally polite method or requesting passage: Shouting "MOVE!!!!!" and physically pushing my girlfriend out of his way, into a shelving unit. I nearly popped a vein when I heard. At least the staff underlings had some manners, but that manager guy was an ass from start to finish, and as clueless as yours - without even blinking, he sold me a copy of the Orange Box on PC with no serial number insert card - just a solitary disc. I'm lucky I checked just after leaving the store and went right back or I'd have been scuppered and given no refund because I'd broken the store-seal sticker.
We're in the UK, where GAME Stores (formerly EB Group) have just bought out their main competitor, GameStation. We now have no choices in our city, the indie retailers shut up shop two years ago after a big squeeze from the top two (now the top one, natch). :-/
However, customer service is alive and well south of here, where my former manager is still going strong heading up a GAME store in Ayr. Possibly the last of his kind...
Posted by: tomfin | February 3, 2008 1:15 AM
Im geting sick and tired of hearing bad things about eb games they are not that bad and they only reason why i think that is because a few mouths back i bought a broke game and didnt now intell i got home and i tryed to play it but it would not work so i had to what till the next day to return it and i didnt have pruff that i bought it there and they where not going to it back intill the guy remember me he whent to see if it would for hem it didnt and they didnt have anymore copys so he whent grab a brand new copy not even open he opened it took the disk out and handed it right to me.the broke disk that i bought was used. I said thank you to him six times
Posted by: Cory | March 12, 2008 4:54 AM
Thats why I buy my games from either Target or Wal-Mart. Or just buy them online no knuckle heads to deal with. Besides I just want to get my game and leave not talk to anybody.
Posted by: Cyclonus | December 4, 2008 7:40 PM
Wow, I'm glad I was one of the few people to work at EB that actually did their best to know what they were talking about. But yeah, I met a lot of douches working at that horrible place.
Posted by: Jason | December 6, 2008 6:44 PM
I work at a Gamestop in SoCal and I just gotta say these employees must be the stupidest ever. I mean I would understand if they didn't allow you service if you were going to buy multiple copies of a console or game due to the Ebay policy, but my god what moronic workers did they hire? They need to screen test them for stupidity. I hope next time you encounter a new shift of workers who have some sort of sense about video games. Its not like you go to work in say a computer store without knowing something about them so why would you apply at a video game store with no knowledge about games? The Bungie thing just pissed me off. I'd go crazy teaching these guys how to work the computer. Man this really annoys me if only I was the manager over there instead of here so I can knock some sense into these idiots. Don't go back there again seriously if you have to deal with these morons just go to a target or something where they at least won't ask you dumb questions and instead just do their job and ring up the game you want. - Chris C.
Posted by: Chris C | December 8, 2008 5:50 AM
Classic stuff. Reminds me of a couple of encounters. For the most part, EB employees are pretty cool. They can also be...difficult.
I went to an EB with my boyfriend, and we were looking at the DS games when an employee came up, asked him what he was looking for (pretty much ignoring me, the female, mind). So this was basically the conversation:
Employee: Do you like the anime Bleach?
BF: I've seen it a couple times. Not really that interested.
Employee: Well, you should definitely check out the new Bleach game we have in stock. It's great.
BF: Um, thanks, but since I don't like the series, I don't really want to invest in the game.
Employee: No, it's awesome, you should definitely get it.
Then of course there was the time I went in to ask about a Kingdom Hearts game, and while one employee looked it up for me, another seemed to be challenging me to a duel of arbitrary series knowledge.
Employee: Did you know they're coming out with a new version of that game?
Me: Yeah, it's called Final Mix, except it's already out, but only in Japan.
Employee: Oh...Well, they have a 3D version of the gameboy game.
Me: Yes, but that's also only available in Japan (or was at the time).
This continued for awhile, with me having to correct him constantly, and him never losing his haughty tone, as if knowing about the special edition of the game was some huge secret. I understand you want to show me you know about the game, but please don't bother if all your information comes from Wiki articles.
Posted by: Rachel | December 8, 2008 7:30 AM
My Gamestops both have very friendly knowledgeable staffs.
They know quite a bit about gaming, and get to know their regulars.
I go in and they know me by name, they know what types of games I like and have a suggestion of something new for me to try. every time I have taken their suggestions I have been pleased with the game and had a blast*coughBIOSHOCKcough*.
I did have one time where I helped other customers in one of the gamestops though...
3 days before Christmas it was packed and some of the people mistakenly thought I was an employee because I was between the register counter and stockroom door looking at the DS games.
I helped the other customers since the two guys who were working were swamped and I did like them.
I'm glad those guys still work at Gamestop. One has been working there since I got Star Wars Battlefront 2, so almost 4 years now...
Posted by: AssultTank | March 13, 2009 6:18 PM
Oh forgot to add, the employees at my gamestops are the reason I don't shop online for games.
I do research to see if I think a game will be good, but I never buy unless the gamestop I am able to get to is out of stock.
The people who know what they are talking about and are friendly and helpful are what keeps me going back.
Posted by: AssultTank | March 13, 2009 6:24 PM
Why such long article?...They know nothing about games and sell games and you keep pointing out their mistakes,so they get MAD.Big deal.
Posted by: Snake | April 23, 2009 8:48 PM
Holy Christ! I worked for Gamestop for two soul sucking years and I have to say that I knew people that work for that hellhole who were just like that. My manager was one of them. He would tell a customer anything just to make the sale. Seriously. He didn't even bother to gain any product knowledge at all instead he would just repeat the things he overheard us say. It was pathetic. Working there is pathetic. I can tell you first hand that at least in my district the policy that was instated a year after I started there was to hire on new employees at minimum wage. Now you can see exactly what kind of people will take a job at minimum wage. When I became a manager I was making 7.75 before the minimum wage was raised. Why I didn't rob the place blind I still don't know. I was young and dumb and idealistic. At this time I still had a deep interest for gaming now I hardly pick up a controller and Gamestop is the reason for that. To this day when I have had a stressful day I wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat thinking I still work there. It has been five years since my last day there and I have gone back to school and have been working in the culinary field. The article might have been long but, I understand the pain. To this day if it is absolutely necessary for meto walk into an EB or a Gamestop I have to be drunk to do so. I mean DRUNK! So people of the Interwebs I implore you not to shop there, do not buy the discount card, don't read the magazine, don't reserve a game. If you have a difficult employee helping you purchase ONE NEW GAME. If you are unaware of the fact that all employees are rated on a performance scale and that scale is based on an uncomprehensible formula that is sent to the district manager that then is translated into a grade and each week that grade is compared to the previous week. Suffice it to say that the worst transaction that a customer can make for an employee is ONE NEW GAME with no discount card, no reservation purchased. If you intend to buy several new games then buy them one at a time each one being a separate transaction. This will infuriate the employee and kill his rating and might lead to disciplinary action if that is the districts policy which is the policy for most districts I am aware of. Also stop trading in games. The next time you are thinking about trading in your used video games, think about setting them on fire because that what you are doing at Gamestop. You buy a game from them that cost you fifty to seventy dollars to purchase, then you give it to them and they give you twenty two in store credit if you are lucky and the game just came out or you will get two dollars in store credit because you played it for six months. Then you turn around and give them more business. Or you are stupid enough to put that store credit toward a game reservation that the company is hoping you will never come pick up. Oh yeah that is right about fifteen percent of the reservations for any given game IS NEVER PICKED UP because it was forgotten about. Gamestop just pocketed your money! If enough time passes then the reservation slips disappear and are never seen again! Gamestop counts on this reservation system as part of their income that is why they push it so hard. Do you know what it is called when someone takes money that isn't theirs? It's called stealing. Gamestop has made stealing a part of their company policy isn't that cool!
Posted by: DoctorBanana | April 26, 2009 1:34 AM
I face-palmed at the employee thinking that Microsoft made Halo. the eb employees over here are kind of helpful..
Posted by: Stealth1525 | May 7, 2009 8:45 PM
Wow. Those two should be fired immediately. I've been with GameStop Inc (owners of EB, but you probably knew that, lol) for over a year and a half; and I would've personally filed a complaint in with the district manager. They're probably those guys that trick you into reserving games, or don't tell you that reservations cost $5 ether; or that you're able to cancel them. I take pride in myself that I never talk to, greet, or treat customers like this, either. At the end of each transaction - albeit it's annoying - I have to tell customers about our survey on Customer satisfaction (mainly for the PS3/Wii/$500 Gift Card contest) So not only is my boss watching, my RAISE is based off of customer happiness. I may seem annoying, but I'm just doing my job here. Say Hello, ask if they have any trades (even if empty handed. DS games are small, you know) ask if they need help finding a game, talk about 'features and benefits' (Power Trades, GameInformer, things like that) and Thank them for shopping at GameStop. I do this every day every customer every transaction. I really hate these idiots that are giving GameStop a terrible name (I already know what 90% of people think of GameStop. No need to remind me) because it's ruining my job, and it's ruining my connectivity with the customers. One customer even brought up a story like this she read online, a friend sent it to her, she then thanked me for being polite and helpful. The last thing I'd want to do is to think my job is easy and that I can slack off with it - It's a freaking JOB and these people need to respect it as such, not treat it as a personal hang out. Yes. I'm aware a lot of people hate GameStop (like the fellow a post above me, he makes points, but I don't get mad if you don't get a GI or Reserve. If you don't want it; you don't. It's fine. It's just my boss wants me to explain it or I'm FIRED) but it's a job. It's a job I like, it's a job that's getting me money, it's a job that's teaching me the base of the working world (I'm 21, this is my 3rd job) especially with unsatisfactory customers. I try to make people leave GameStop happy. If you don't want to shop at GameStop; don't go in. It's that simple...really.
Posted by: Boots from GameStop | May 24, 2009 10:06 PM