I hope they are sincere about not waving the "Girl gamer" flag around because that is one of the things that pisses me off most about these clans.

I know quite a few real female gamers who hate Frag Dolls and PMS Clan and such. They want to be treated as "gamers" with the "girl" moniker dropped completely.

With people flaunting the fact that they are gamers and girls they are actually distancing themselves and being counter-productive their purported cause.

I hope they are sincere about not waving the "Girl gamer"

One look at their site will clue anyone one in on their intentions. Which is a resounding "no".

I would at least have more respect for them, and any other vocal "GRRRL" gamers out there if not for the fact that virtually every single one of them have SuicideGirls-esque beauty shots. And oh boy, they have "real" weapons! These girls mean business, look out guys!

From my experience, girls just want to play games, period, and there's no need to get on the soap box about it. Whenever I've asked them about women being portrayed negatively in video games, and if its hindered them from playing any particular game, they all pretty much have the same exact response: "We're used to it. It's not like sexism doesn't exist everywhere else."

While we can not hide the fact that we are female, what we want to put across is that the fact we are female doesn't relate to our gaming community. We are hoping to invite all types of people to our site, the initial photos are there to raise some level of attention sure, and they show us clowning around having a laugh, being ourselves. We are sure to fill our gallery with photos of any gaming events that attend and the people we are lucky to meet in the meantime. Versus is about us having the same gaming rants and opinions that we would at home with our friends but with the added attraction of now being able to share those views, argue about them and share them with our community. VersuS is not two girls, it is a community that we are hosting. I hope that this clears some things up.

Vixen VS

After being sucked in by the whole were frag dolls we care crap, and seeing them for what they are i wish vs all the luck in the world ,and will back them, i know them both from forums and ive played siren aka voodoo on live a few times, there not up their own asses and actually support and communicate with there community, siren leaving the dolls speaks volumes for the frag dolls and mainly for siren herself, well done vs keep up the good work :)

If you're so bothered about showing the world that you're gamers and not just girls, why the sexy poses and tight black tops?

The only audience shots like that are gonna get is exactly the kind of image that you're supposedly against. Get some clothes on in the next pictures and people might take you a bit more seriously, right now you just look like the S&M Fragdolls.

I wrote something in my blog about this and the Kotaku/VH1 conflict. I think the idea of "girl gamers" who are basically glorified models/booth babes is really hurting female gamers everywhere. Although VersuS claims not to be waving that flag, putting up a page of sexy pictures to get attention (by Vixen's own admission) doesn't seem to match...
http://www.binarycreativity.com/2006/07/14/are-girl-gamers-hurting-female-gamers/

-Matt

Yes womens bodys should be covered completely so we cannot see any trace of gender. This way we know thier intentions are pure...

*rolls eyes*

They are wearing more than most girls on the highstreet on a sunny day. What do you want smocks?

I've read the site and they seem completely genuine. the forum seems busy and full of good people. It's funny that people are bringing up gender when these girls made a very clear point on thier site that they don't want it to be an issue.

Full of good people?

You mean 16 year old spotty kids who spurt at the first mention of boobies?

The UK Frag Dolls are a nice bunch of girls who game, with Voodoo or without. Everyone who goes to the Frag Dolls websites can see that the forum is owned by UbiSoft and anyone with half a brain can discern that their job is to advertise for UbiSoft. The Dolls do not hide this fact and they *DO* play games with the public that are NOT made by UbiSoft. (Do they not give play-time to games from small development houses? It's possible, but in so doing they would only be following the whole games industry and the mindless consumerist hordes who bow to it. Until I see a game like FlatOut or The Regiment or Operation Flashpoint receive the amount of market-share it deserves, I'll not be entertaining any expressions of self-righteousness from the dull-witted, mouth-breathing gaming community.)X-Box Live with the UK Frag Dolls (to which I'll add Valk from the U.S. Frag Dolls) has been some of the most-a$$hole-free multiplayer gaming I've experienced in my life. I am not sorry that the Frag Dolls exist, nor am I sorry that Voodoo was one of the UK Frag Dolls.In closing, I'd just like to point out that it was VOODOO who was a Frag Doll. In the year or so that I gamed with her, she demonstrated exceptional skill and manners. I pray that this is what she remains.

What a complete load of hypocrytical bullshit. These 2 are basically out to promote themselves and gain publicity through the medium of video gaming. All this talk of 'integrity' and 'freedom from advertising' is quite laughable. An earlier poster mentioned their dress sense. It is quite, eye smackingly, apparent they are doing a diservice to female gamers.

The whole photo shoot business is passed off as 'fooling around'. Do you really think people are THAT stupid? They are basically acting like corporate whores, the same as working for Ubisoft - they are using their attractive looks and femininity to sell themselves. Now, there shouldn't be anything wrong with that, women should have the choice but when it's wrapped up in some faux attempt to make people think they are just individuals who like to play video games, then it is quite pathetic.

The whole website shouts "WE ARE GIRLY GAMERS', is it not that obvious to you? So, OK girls, if your website is about other people joining in and creating a community then why don't you have video blogs from other people with their thoughts and opinions? Why is it all centred around you two?

In short, you're fooling no one, your website and blogs are amatuerish drivel and the sooner you stop looking in the mirror the better. I could accept your reasonings if you didn't act like such monumental hypocrits but as it stands you're doing a fine job of it.

Actually our community is growing strong and if you were to take a look at the site you would see how we are implimenting everyone in what we are doing. We obviously needed to propel into the media first, know this though, once we are there we want to take our whole community with us.

I've looked at your website of course. You seriously need to change that logo! It looks like something a child has thrown together in Paint. Either tidy it up or redesign it - it looks very unprofessional.

You need to employ the services of a trained graphic designer or better still, get them to donate their services for free. ;-)

Check out Voodoo's seethroo tootoo... What a bimbo.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7418/xmas31io1.jpg